Isabel Schnabel, Member of the Executive Board of the European Central Bank point at the interview out "The real interest rate (...) emerges from the economy’s growth potential in the long run.“ https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/inter/date/2020/html/ecb.in200211~d2b4afb5d3.en.html
Another article also touches upon this question "It is well-known that productivity is a long-term determinant of return on capital and thereby of interest rates, which explains why there is a positive correlation between these two indicators" https://www.clevelandfed.org/newsroom-and-events/publications/economic-commentary/2017-economic-commentaries/ec-201720-productivity-real-interest-rates-long-run.aspx
However, for me it seems counter-intuitive. If productivity is low i.e. growth is week, than the risk to lend is high, meaning the lenders would demand higher premium for the risk -> IR would be higher on average. Can you please come up with an explanation on why slower productivity growth would result in lower interest rates?