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Since a portion of the social surplus generated by investments goes to consumers and not producers individuals in a free market are always under-incentivized to make investments and therefore a degree of investment must be provided by the state, correct?

Another problem is that the older I am the less my money will compound if I invest it reducing the incentive to invest, so I might blow my fortune on frivolities because the reward for investment will either be very small or arrive once I'm dead. Another problem is that if I am rich money might become meaningless to me so I stop investing and trying to grow it. Prioritizing my own self-interest in a free market will massively lessen social welfare.

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    $\begingroup$ For some investments, it can be argued that there is a positive externality. Some of these positive externalities benefit the society at large. It is also correct that underinvestment can result from free-market provision when there are positive externalities. However, It is incorrect to claim that this holds for all investments in general. Assuming it is true, economists see it as a market failure and one alternative would be some sort of state involvement but not necessarily state-provision. I think education is a good example. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 23 at 11:48
  • $\begingroup$ But if the benefit (the TOTAL social surplus) of my action (investment) exceeds beyond the compensation I receive (my producer profits) isn't that a textbook case of the private benefit being beneath the social benefit, and therefore my investment is undercompensated in a free market. I mean you cant say that all the benefits to society of Bill Gates founding Microsoft have been recouped by him. The compensation he receives is necessarily less than the value he creates as I know for fact I attained consumer surpluses from his products. $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 25 at 9:01
  • $\begingroup$ How is this in any way inconsistent with anything I said? You claim in the pos this is 'always' the case. You cannot logically argue always by example. You are sidetracking - this is a question-answer forum, not a debate club. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 25 at 9:19
  • $\begingroup$ Yes but I don't understand how your answer is the correct one. It is always true that some consumer surplus is generated by an investment, in which case some benefit arises from an investment which isn't internalized by the producer, which would be like an externality. If I make IP and sell access to it, I only get the portion of the social surplus which goes to the producer, but the consumer surplus, which was also generated by my investment, goes to other people. So its conceivable that there are cases where people who would've invested if they also got the consumer surplus don't $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 26 at 0:40
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    $\begingroup$ No. You partially misunderstand the concept of consumer surplus. It is true that when you sell something on a market consumers get a consumer surplus. This is part of the benefit generated by having the markets. It is not like an externality because an externality is about someone, not part of the market being affected. The fact that firms do not consider the consumer surplus does not lead to underinvestment. .... It is not always the case that there is a consumer surplus. A monopoly with perfect price discrimination is a case without consumer surplus. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 26 at 1:21

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Since a portion of the social surplus generated by investments goes to consumers and not producers individuals in a free market are always under-incentivized to make investments and therefore a degree of investment must be provided by the state, correct?

No this is not generally correct especially because you are making strong general claims e.g. always and also draw a policy conclusion from is’s, which breaks a principle of Hume's guillotine.

If there are positive externalities, e.g. investment in non-patentable R&D/basic research, then companies won't be able to capture appropriate level of return on investment in such R&D. In this case more socially optimal level of investment can be potentially achieved by some government policy or non-market solution.

However, there are important caveats here;

  1. Not all investments have externalities. Students often confuse positive/negative externality as any positive or negative effect on other people, but this is simply not true. Following, Mas-Colell Whinston Green (1995) "Definition "11.B.1 An externality is present whenever the well-being of a consumer or the production possibilities of a firm are directly affected by the actions of another agent in the economy." .... "When we say 'directly,' we mean to exclude any effects that are mediated by prices."For example, building a chip factory might have very large positive effects on welfare of workers and even consumers. However, as long as these marginal benefits are reflected in the rate of return on this investment, there are no external effects and level of investment will be optimal, unless some other market failure is present.

  2. It is not apriory clear that the investment has to be provided by the state itself. There are various institutional arrangements other than direct state provision. For example, patents are examples of such institutional arrangement that does not require provision of investment by state. Moreover, this is not necessarily relevant for R&D but can be relevant for other investments such as investments in common pool resources, Nobel Prize winning research of Ostrom shows that it is possible to have non-market but also private solutions for externalities or free rider problems etc.

    These solutions usually rely on some community level social enforcement mechanisms, so they are not necessarily applicable to some global scale R&D investments, but they are relevant for investments on local scale.

  3. You are trying to derive oughts from is’s which goes against basic rules of public policy. Public policy is not about making economy as efficient as possible. Goals of public policy depend on particular molar philosophy and what moral philosophy is “the correct one” to follow cannot be derived from positive facts such as what policy mix maximizes GDP per capita.

    Depending on moral philosophy you might want to leave some externalities or other economic inefficiencies unaddressed. For example, in Sweden there is a “Pirate” party that has goal to reduce level of IP protection, and they pursue this policy because they believe this is moral thing to do. Yet such policy will lead to under investment in affected IP sectors.

    Long story short, you can’t just a priory claim that optimal public policy is policy that maximizes total surplus or total utility etc.

Another problem is that the older I am the less my money will compound if I invest it reducing the incentive to invest, so I might blow my fortune on frivolities because the reward for investment will either be very small or arrive once I'm dead.

No this is not problem per se. People do not care just about return for themselves but also for their progeny. In overlapping generations models where people die you do not necessarily get sub-optimal level of investment.

Now to be clear this could lead to problems if you add into a mix some other behavioral issues or market failures. However, in itself aging of an individual and eventual death does not result in under investment.

Moreover, if the rich person spends the money on frivolous things, then that spending becomes other person’s income. This is macro 101. One person’s spending is another person’s income Y=C+I+G+NX. Then other people will either spend or invest that money.

In fact, during periods of financial crises when the propensity to invest drops, and investment may became for all practical purposes exogenous, such spending might be even beneficial for raising GDP.

You can see discussion of these Macro issues in any undergraduate macro textbook, for example see Blanchard et al Macroeconomics.

Another problem is that if I am rich money might become meaningless to me so I stop investing and trying to grow it. Prioritizing my own self-interest in a free market will massively lessen social welfare.

I do not think this is empirically very realistic. Even extremely rich people have typically very large marginal propensity to invest l. However, let’s use your behavioral assumption as thought experiment. This is not a problem per se. It could be problem in combination with some market failures but in well functioning market this is not a problem.

If they spend the money on consumption then it does not matter per se as discussed above.

If they refuse to spend the money at all then that will have to endogenous effect on prices and rate of return. It will be cheaper for other people to buy things, and more desirable for other people to invest.

There can be problems in combination with market imperfections such as price or wage rigidities, but then the root issue is the price rigidity, not “meaninglessness of money” to a rich individual.

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  • $\begingroup$ 1. Lets say I had to choose between spending my free time meditating, versus spending my time working and then investing the money I make from work into assets which grow my wealth and then selling all my assets for a profit and then spending the money I have made on my personal consumption. Lets say that both options are equally personally beneficial to me, however, the latter option would produce greater social surplus and yet both options are equally appealing. This demonstrates a market failure wherein pursuing your self-interest in a free market doesn't maximise general welfare. $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 25 at 8:54
  • $\begingroup$ 2. While the individual could be said to care for his progeny and will thus be incentivised to save it rather than blow it, this market failure would only be resolved assuming that people are 100% benevolent towards their descendants all the time, which is untrue, even if they were, this wouldn't solve the market failure as that might only incentivise them to invest enough for their descendants to live comfortably on a passive income stream, but this degree of investment could be raised to increase broader general welfare and not just the welfare of peoples descendants. $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 25 at 8:55
  • $\begingroup$ 3. If an individual invests rather than consumes, they still consume, in fact they consume an even greater amount, just at a later date, which means a greater increase in other peoples incomes in the long term, which means that greater social surpluses are produced, between two equally appealing options of either consuming or saving. $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 25 at 8:55
  • $\begingroup$ Its good to see you again $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 25 at 8:55
  • $\begingroup$ @J.DG re 1: problem is what you are doing is just hand waving. Build a rigorous model where agent derives utility form leisure/meditation l and some composite good x equally as you postulate so let’s say U= lnx_t + ln l_t subject to inter-temporal budget constraint which allows for investment. It is well known that even in these models there will be optimal level of saving and hence investment as long as you don’t introduce any market failure or behavioral twist like hyperbolic discounting. If you believe otherwise prove it with math. This will force you to show your assumptions explicitly $\endgroup$
    – 1muflon1
    Commented Jul 25 at 9:17
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Existence of consumer surplus does not mean that producer does not capture some benefits of investment.

When we talk about positive externalities (which seems like where you got that idea), we do not talk about benefits in terms of producer or consumer surplus. We talk about marginal private (MPB) and social benefit (MSB).

Externalities exist when marginal private benefit are not equal to marginal social benefit (MPB $\neq$ MSB), these are called consumption externalities, more specifically $MPB<MSB$ implies positive consumption externality and $MPB>MSB$ negative consumption externality, or production externalities when marginal private costs are not equal to marginal social cost ($MSC \neq MPC$), and analogously there can be positive or negative production externalities.

Marginal social benefit is the demand curve in contra-factual world where the externality does not exist. Only when this hypothetical demand curve is not equal to regular demand curve is when you can say that producers do not capture some of the benefits. Marginal social costs is the supply function in the hypothetical contra factual without any externality. As in the case with demand externality you can only claim that producers do not capture some benefit if there is difference between this two (in this case when MSC<MPC).

Consumer surplus can exist both with or without externalities. Consumer surplus is not the benefit we talk about when we talk that producers do not capture benefits of production. Consumer surplus is the area under demand curve and above price. External benefit is the vertical distance between hypothetical demand curve without externalities and actual demand curve (or supply curve when we talk about supply side externalities).

You get inefficient production and investment decisions when the supply or demand curve do not overlap MSB or MSC curve. However, this has little to do with consumer surplus. As long as demand and supply curve are 'correct' in the sense both demand and supply are based on marginal social benefits and costs respectively, then size of consumer surplus is irrelevant.

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  • $\begingroup$ Perhaps calling this an 'externality' in the traditional sense of the term is incorrect, but if I were to invest in IP and then sold access to that IP the fact that I am generating a consumer surplus for others would necessarily be positive consequence of my decision to invest which is not being internalized by me, correct? $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 26 at 0:34
  • $\begingroup$ @J.DG no that is incorrect as my answer explains. I will try to explain it more succinctly because perhaps longer answer is too much for you to understand. For decisions to be optimal socially and privately they have to satisfy MSB=MSC and MPB=MPC respectively. MSB and MPB are the benefits individuals have to be compensated for to behave optimally. Any other benefits aside MSB and MPB are irrelevant for optimal decision making. English is context based language as opposed to languages like German, maybe you are native speaker in such language and that's why you have problem understanding this. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 26 at 12:36
  • $\begingroup$ In English we just say benefits, but we mean MSB and MPB other benefits like surplus are irrelevant. Optimal decisions can be elicited from consumers even if they get 0 surplus and producers get lot of surplus, and other way around optimal producer decisions can be elicited when producers get 0 surplus and consumers get all the surplus. What matters is MSB=MSC and MPB=MPC. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 26 at 12:37
  • $\begingroup$ Right but when I make an investment the marginal social benefit of this decision exceeds the marginal private benefit, so when MPB intersects MPC I stop investing, but MSB still exceeds MSC since Marginal Social Costs in this instance equal Marginal Private Costs, leading to underinvestment. This is because when I make an investment the generated surpluses flow to both consumers and producers, and not just producers. By 'surplus' I mean when a unit is produced whose sale price exceeds the cost of its production generating profit for the producer, and when the consumers WTP exceeds the price, $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 29 at 2:39
  • $\begingroup$ creating a consumer surplus for the consumer . The existence of this underinvestment can be intuitively demonstrated by the fact that an individual might feel equally attracted to the options of investing his income versus consuming it, but since investing it would produce more non-internalized benefits for others this option is clearly underchosen meaning underinvestment. $\endgroup$
    – J.D G
    Commented Jul 29 at 2:41

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